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Ian Fleming created the character of James Bond and wrote the original book series consisting of 14-books, listed below. Most of these have been made into highly entertaining and successful motion pictures. Hell, I grew up on them...well, at least the Sean Connery ones.
1. Casino Royale 1953 2. Live and Let Die 1954 3. Moonraker 1955 4. Diamonds Are Forever 1956 5. From Russia With Love 1957 6. Doctor No 1958 7. Goldfinger 1959 8. For Your Eyes Only (short stories) 1960
From A View To A Kill
For Your Eyes Only
Quantum of Solace
The Hildebrand Rarity
9. Thunderball 1961 10. The Spy Who Loved Me 1962 11. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service 1963 12. You Only Live Twice 1964 13. The Man With The Golden Gun 1965 14. Octopussy & The Living Daylights (short stories) 1966
The Living Daylights
The Property Of A Lady
007 in New York
Fleming wrote some pretty interesting and exciting stories, nonetheless they were lacking in certain areas. One of those was the technical knowledge of firearms. In this particular arena, Mr. Fleming was seriously lacking. He initially armed Bond with a .25 ACP (6.35 mm) caliber Beretta automatic with a skeleton grip (probably meaning the stocks were removed), it was Bond's issued sidearm. He carried it in a in a chamois leather shoulder holster. That gun was actually a Beretta 418 and no one in their right mind would go in harm's way so armed.
Beretta Model 418 Specifications:
action type : single
operation type : blowback
safety type : grip-safety
magazine capacity : 8
weight : 350 g (12.35 oz)
Beretta Model 418 Dimensions:
slide length : 114 mm (4.5 in)
slide width : 18 mm (.71 in)
slide thickness : 3.5 mm (0.14 in)
frame length : 107 mm (4.2 in)
frame width : 13 mm (.51 in)
frame thickness : 1.9 mm (.075 in)
barrel length : 60 mm (2.4 in)
handgrips thickness : 5 mm (.20 in) at the bottom, 4 mm (.16 in) at the top
overall pistol length : 117 mm (4.6 in)
overall pistol width : 23 mm (0.9 in)
overall pistol height : 87 mm (3.4 in)
Enter one Geoffrey Boothroyb.
Mr. Boothroyd, it appears, was a British firearms expert and author of several works on the subject and had read the Bond books published to date. He was dissatisfied, to say the least, with Fleming's choice of arms for our hero and subsequently wrote Mr. Fleming to voice his expert opinion.
Late-May of 1956, James Bond author Ian Fleming received a politely critical letter from a firearms expert named Geoffrey Boothroyd. It began:
I have, by now, got rather fond of Mr. James Bond. I like most of the things about him, with the exception of his rather deplorable taste in firearms. In particular, I dislike a man who comes into contact with all sorts of formidable people using a .25 Beretta. This sort of gun is really a lady's gun, and not a really nice lady at that. If Mr. Bond has to use a light gun he would be better off with a .22 rim fire; the lead bullet would cause more shocking effect than the jacketed type of the .25.
May I suggest that Mr. Bond be armed with a revolver?
Boothroyd's long letter continued in a similar vein, filled with incredibly detailed weaponry suggestions for 007. Fleming, delighted to be furnished with such expert advice, immediately replied with the letter seen below, and, as a result of their subsequent correspondence, equipped Bond with a Walther PPK in the novel Dr. No.
And the name of Bond's new armourer? Major Boothroyd.
Update: The BBC have footage of Boothroyd talking about this very exchange, introduced by Sean Connery. (Thanks, Simon!
Transcript follows. Image courtesy of Bloomsbury Auctions.
(The copyright in this letter is owned by the Ian Fleming Estate and is reproduced here with the Estate's permission. Further use of the letter is not permitted without the Estate's express permission.)
Images: Bloomsbury Auctions
KEMSLEY HOUSE, LONDON, W.C.1.
31st May, 1956
Dear Mr Boothroyd,
I really am most grateful for your splendid letter of May 23rd.
You have entirely convinced me and I propose, perhaps not in the next volume of James Bond's memoirs but, in the subsequent one, to change his weapons in accordance with your instructions.
Since I am not in the habit of stealing another man's expertise, I shall ask you in due course to accept remuneration for your most valuable technical aid.
Incidentally, can you suggest where I can see a .38 Airweight in London. Who would have one?
As a matter of interest, how do you come to know so much about these things? I was delighted with the photographs and greatly impressed by them. If ever there is talk of making films of some of James Bond's stories in due course, I shall suggest to the company concerned that they might like to consult you on some technical aspects. But they may not take my advice, so please do not set too much store by this suggestion.
From the style of your writing it occurs to me that you may have written books or articles on these subjects. Is that so?
Bond has always admitted to me that the .25 Beretta was not a stopping gun, and he places much more reliance on his accuracy with it than in any particular qualities of the gun itself. As you know, one gets used to a gun and it may take some time for him to settle down with the Smith and Wesson. But I think M. should advise him to make a change; as also in the case of the .357 Magnum.
He also agrees to give a fair trial to the Bern Martin holster, but he is inclined to favour something a little more casual and less bulky. The well-worn chamois leather pouch under his left arm has become almost a part of his clothes and he will be loath to make a change though, here again, M. may intervene.
At the present moment Bond is particularly anxious for expertise on the weapons likely to be carried by Russian agents and I wonder if you have any information on this.
As Bond's biographer I am most anxious to see that he lives as long as possible and I shall be most grateful for any further technical advices you might like me to pass on to him.
Again, with very sincere thanks for your extremely helpful and workmanlike letter.
G. Boothroyd, Esq., 17, Regent Park Square, Glasgow, S
Geoffrey Boothroyd and Ian Fleming
As a result of the correspondence Fleming gave Bond a .32 ACP (7.62 Browning) Walther PPK pistol in Dr. No and created a character named "Major Boothroyd" in the novel. (The real Boothroyd held no such rank.) Prior to the correspondence Fleming is reported to have thought guns to be dull. Boothroyd advised Fleming on the use of silencers and suggested various firearms for use by Bond and other characters.
Shown below is an article, on this very subject, written by Mr. Boothroyd. It was first published in the May/June 1965 edition of “Handgunner”, an excellent British firearms magazine, and subsequently published here, in the States, in the January 1987 edition of “Guns” under the title of “I Was James Bond’s Armourer”. (Ken's Note: these scans are courtesy of Mr. Richard Bhella who most generously provided them for this post. I thank you sir.)
Seen on film, Mr. Boothroyd explains his relationship with Ian Fleming and his technical advice. You will note that Fleming did not follow Boothroyd's advice completely, Fleming went for the PPK instead, but used Boothroyd's own revolver for the original cover of From Russia with Love (Ken's Note: seen at the bottom of this page courtesy of Mr. Dennis Martin. Thank you kindly sir.)
Geoffrey Boothroyd on the guns of 007
Personally, I too feel Bond could have been better armed. If it had to be a smaller automatic, then get him one in .380 ACP (9mm Browning). There were several good, reliable, and concealable automatics around at that time in that caliber. The M1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless, Walther's PPK, and Beretta's Model 1934 would be the top runners. I wont even comment on the chamois shoulder holster.
Given the time period, I think a good choice would have been a revolver similar to Boothroyd's, but in .38 Special (K-frame .357's weren't produced until 1957) and sans the cutaway trigger guard, which I cannot condone on safety and pistol incapacitation grounds. If necessary, simply relieving the right side of the guard will suffice while still maintaining a solid and therefore safe guard. Cutaway trigger guards, once popularized on the famous “Fitz Specials”, never proved to increase draw & fire times any better than the standard guard.
All in all, the Bond novels are an interesting and now historical read. I'm in the process of reading them all, in sequence, and find them quite enjoyable. Nevertheless, I can't help but wonder how they would have turned out if Mr. Fleming had Tom Clancy's flair for technical accuracy...
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This is awesome!! i am a big fan of 007 and have seen all the movies and even somewhere around here have a copy of Barry Nelson as " Jimmy Bond" in a american presentation on CBS television show called " CLIMAX!" of Casino Royale. i do like the Walther. but for the time when Fleming originally came up with the chracter maybe a chief's special in .38? i believe Col. Applegate carried a .38 snubbie during his operations with The OSS. it is interesting to notea couple of things: 1. Fleming was a Royal Navy Commander and a Intelligence Officer in real life. BUT he was not a field agent. he actually was in only one operation and by the time he arrived on scene it was over. he was there mainly for nazi documents. but the getting in and out was rather tricky... 2. He could be a sadistic and cruel individual. 3. if one is interested there are 3 good shows/documentaries on this subject on Netflix A. The Real Story of James Bond B. Everything or Nothing: The untold story of 007 C. Fleming: The Man Who Would be Bond -this is a miniseries and not kid friendly! but interesting as it gets into Fleming's Naval Career. oh. one more thing. he came up and founded and helped train a famous commando unit. the other trainers were Col. Applegate, Wild Bill Donovan and W.E. Fairbairn I believe. I can't remember the name of the unit but i believe it is still a active unit within the Royal Marine Commandos. but don't quote me. I did like the holster that Connery used in Dr. No and in the pre title sequence of Goldfinger. wonder if it could work in real life. if so, i need one.
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Under any normal circumstance—except for the FN 5.7 X 28—I would not carry a .22, .25, .32 or .380 for self defense. That being said, any of these rounds can be fatal in the hands of a competent tactical shooter. From all indications, James Bond was a competent tactical shooter. It should also be noted that the Shanghai Police Department used the Colt 1908 (.380 ACP—Automatic Colt Pistol) and both the US Army and the US Air Force issued the Colt 1908 during World War II.
Rather deal with poor training and poor shooting skills, law enforcement agencies have a tendency to focus more on the quality of the ammunition than the quality of training. After the disastrous Miami shootout in 1986, the FBI experimented with a 10mm cartridge and then switched to a .40 S&W. Over time, the FBI realized that tactical shooting skills are more import than the diameter of a bullet and greatly improved their firearms training.
The most important characteristic a pistol cartridge used for self-defense needs to have is adequate penetration—not diameter. In our book, Advanced Handgun Survival Tactics, we rate penetration as the most important primary factor and bullet diameter as the least important primary factor. The permanent wound cavity and the temporary wound cavity are also listed as primary factors, but the temporary wound cavity is much less significant when using most handgun calibers than the permanent would cavity.
Like it or not, magic beans and magic bullets do not exit. If you have adequate penetration and you hit the right aim point quickly enough, your chances of being able to survive a deadly confrontation are very good. According to many of the people we know in the training or firearms business, the FBI and many police departments are switching back to a 9mm.
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Great posts & info. Given the times of Bond, I would think that a S&W J frame in .38 special would be a good choice. I imagine the PPK in .380 would be a good choice back then too, if one wanted a semi auto.
For quite a few yrs, I carried an air weight J frame (Nickel plated Centennial model that I still have), as a back up for work & off duty. It was (& still is) very easy to conceal.
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The ammo pictured with the Boothroyd revolver looks to be . 38 spl. with the Lubaloy bullet.
I have always preferred the short barrel K frames for carry, over the 5 shot J frame S&W's. But there are several downsides to completely cutting away the front of the triggerguard. The vestigial guard could become bent and tie up the revolver. That's serious. You could pinch your finger between the front of the guard and the trigger and tie up the revolver. That's serious. And it could lead to something other than your finger firing the revolver when it does not need to fire and that would be a serious event as well.
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